Sunday, April 15, 2007

Rejected by Bear411!

No seriously!

I had a couple of friends in town and some guy told them to check out his profile on Bear411 so we looked him up on my computer. Well the profile didn't say much, and we thought maybe you need to be a registered user to get additional info, so I went a head and registered. Filled in the little questionnaire (and no I'm not sharing what I put in my profile), posted a pic, and then waited to get the confirmation email saying that my profile was approved.

Well I got an email, and it said, "no thanks" and recommended that I join Male411 (aka Gay411).

Now I'm not sure what to think. Was I rejected because my picture wasn't bear enough? I posted one without facial hair, was that the requirement I failed? Or am I looking too slim (as if!) in my pic and so don't meet the weight requirement?

I'm confused.

And should I be offended or happy

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At 10:06 AM, Blogger Gay Canuck in the Capital said...

Maybe the lack of body fur? I don't think of you as a bear... I learned a new one this weekend. Manatee- a hairless bear. Yikes, no wonder we all have body issues.

At 10:19 PM, Blogger tankmontreal said...

Bear411 is notorious for rejecting prospective members who don't fit the physical profile of a bear, whatever that is. Seems there's no room for bear admirers either.

Joe.My.God did a piece on it maybe two months ago. There's even a website dedicated to reasons for disliking/boycotting Bear411 for its discriminatory policies. Its ickiness is well documented.

The site webmaster is European, from France. I know this cuz he lives in Montreal now. Apparently the all-inclusive nature we know of North American bears doesn't fly in Europe. Or in France anyway. Or in this particular webmaster, at the very least. His loss.

So your exclusion is a purely cultural thing. Take no offence. I know of many other fine fellows who've 'suffered' the same rejection.

At 12:24 AM, Blogger TLW31 said...

Well, I was just rejected on this website. Was not to pleased either as I may not be bear material, but I sure do get scoped on by bears in and out of the bar and gay events.

And, there is no reason as to why? Thanks for advising of the mistake and making me waste 22 minutes of MY time for nothing!

Thanks! Bear411.. for your great impact on my night and web life.

At 2:23 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

But what about those people who like bear chasers? Bears are fun and friendly... but I am more into the thin guys and bear hunters. So shouldn't I be able to access them on Bear411? Bear411 sucks... thats why I dropped my paid membership.

At 10:10 PM, Blogger sdsteve said...

i was just rejected by bear 411. pretty fucking ironic because whenever i find myself around bears, i practically have to beat them off with a stick. i go to the gym 4-5 times per week, am very muscular and in shape, good-looking, and have a hairy body. the only thing i can think of is that the pic i submitted shows my body hair trimmed. the "webmaster" didn't give me any reason, but he did direct me to join gay411. yeah, i'll get right on that. what a goober!

At 3:29 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I just found out that it is not possible to send emails to 411 members neither, not to mention writing your email in a message window. Paying members used to be able to post URLs. Not anymore.

Often you want to share articles or links to political subjects or art exhibits, and it is impossible. I am F#%ing outraged.

Not only that, but your messages may be deleted without notice or warning. So if you are actually having an important conversation with someone you care to meet and you happen to type the wrong word, your recipient will never get your note, and could assume you just stopped communicating. This has potential consequences, but 411 simply doesn't care.. forget accountability.

Like Bush and Co are not enough regarding eavesdropping and censoring. This kind of deliberate obstructionism is unacceptable.

At this point I am not even sure that they don't read our messages.

My support of 411 will expire soon, and so will my profile.

At 8:01 PM, Blogger hotsexyjason said...

hotsexyjason------i was rejected 4 times BEAR411SUCKS

At 9:31 PM, Blogger anoddexperiment said...

Yeah, it's kinda stings a bit. Got rejected for what I assume could only be the fact I like facial hair, but don't actually happen to be a big 'ol bear. No love for the chasers?

At 4:43 AM, Blogger BOBtheBEAR said...

Anoddexperiment and other bear admirer/chasers, I definitely feel your pain. I am a mid-size bear who loves mostly big smooth chubs and "behrs" (smooth bears), and I will be the first to say that you thin, smooth, twink-looking chasers and bear hunters are part of what makes the Bear Community what it is today. Without you guys, we would be worse for the wear. I believe in total diversity, and that NO ONE should EVER be rejected for membership to a bear or chub/chaser site. If you love bears or chubs, then that should be enough even if you are not one yourself. Just think of where the Girth & Mirth clubs would be without chasers. Same idea here.

At 8:36 AM, Blogger Mark Cooke said...

I am a "Big 'ol Bear" my problem isnt that I was rejected but that I would love to see more chasers accepted on the site. I don't want to talk to more chunky hairy guys I want a nice thin chaser to chat with. and if you want to send your e mail adress in a text you cant make it look like an e mail address you have to make it look like like "Name at provider dot com" and it will go through, since this guy is Canadian he doesn't have to follow United States rules for censorship and he has the legal right to read anything on the site that he owns including your text messages to other bears on the site, I always keep that in mind whenever I sent someone a message. Greg is an ass but its still a nice way to meet bears if you can get on.

At 8:00 PM, Blogger MrPandaBehr said...

Check out the website to see all the other issues with Bear411.

At 8:31 AM, Blogger acg880 said...

If you got rejected by Bear411 don't let it bother you. I deleted my profile there after a year as I came to the conclusion that it's not a place for nice, decent guys. There seemed to be even more guys just looking for hookups there than anywhere else.

I did meet a couple of guys who were probably nice guys before they joined b411. But if they have a look that guys go for, then they get caught up in all the attention and become as superficial as the rest of them. After my experience with this crowd, a friend that I would consider a little older, wiser and thick skinned than me joined up. He deleted his profile 8 months later saying 'you were right, Bear411 is not a place for nice guys.'

At 10:24 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

http://bear411sucks.comgot a threatening legal letter from Bear411 trying to shut them down! Spread the word.

At 9:27 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Well, this bear is a member of Bear411, and even with it's great treatment of me in some respects (I for some unknown reason made featured bear once, star bear numerous times and was one of the "online" bears for a couple months", go figure, cos I'm not exactly a raving beauty) I have the same complaints you do, and Bear411sucks is right on the money about this webmaster, and his shithole treatment of others.

I personally am FLATTERED to high heaven when anyone says something nice to me. Chasers are cute too, so why reject one. We bears are all about squeezing someone cute. A furry chest is nice, but so is a killer smile, boys.

I see a lot of chasers on that site, so being rejected for being a chaser doesn't compute for me.

There has to be another reason for it. His usual thing are face photos. He requires a really specific facial photo. It's gotta be clear, and it's gotta be a certain size.

I know that he'll not tell you the problem, as he's done this to me, and apparently he seems to like my images, if the photo isn't just right.

Also, the description has to sort of "woof" out I think. It it is bland, or not "bear enuff", it will end up on the scrap heap I think.

But I think the realest explanation is that he only has so many slots for chasers from each region, and I wouldnt put it past this miserable SOB to do this, and when he reaches his quota, he sends them packing the Gay411.

I for one think that Trey is woofy enough to be on there. Greg's an asshole, sorry he put you through it.


At 4:41 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think it's lack of fur. But on registration it says the photos have to show face cleary. Was that photo as tiny as the one here on blogger? (distant shot)?

At 7:37 AM, Blogger xxxlbuck said...

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At 7:40 AM, Blogger xxxlbuck said...

listen ive never had a single problem with bear411, it's my primary means of contact with my circle of friends as a matter of fact.

you guys whining on here have to understand that its BEAR411, not chaser411, or hunter411, BEAR411, im half glad that buddy regulates the number of chasers, and twinks, and men of color he lets into the site, it is HIS site after all, HE made it, he can do whatever he likes with it.

im not a bear by far, im 21 years old 6'1 300lbs with slight fur, i guess im a cub, and im lucky to be on the site at all.

i love bears, and daddies, lifters, and chubs, but i hate it when i get hit on by primarily black guys, these black guys will bang a refrigerator if it was white, so reiterate im glad he keeps an eye on who he lets on there, if he didnt the number of chasers would DWARF the numbers of actual bears on the site.

and the fact that he censors URLs on profiles isnt "Dirty" its called "Smart business" macdonalds doesnt let people put posters of Burger King in the windows do they?

ill admit he might be pretentious, i dont know, ive never met him, or even talked to him, but that doesnt matter, its still his website, and i know im lucky for even being allowed to use such a website to meet great guys like my friends on there.

so you jealous guys can keep being jealous ill be over here in the VIB section of the web.

*Walks off eating a popsicle*

At 3:48 PM, Blogger Maxwell said...

Gerald, that was racist fucking bullshit. You're a tool.

I personally think it's okay if the guy wants to keep the site restricted to bears only, but this needs to be made clear in the guidelines, and the "chasers" option should just be taken down. It seems like a flag for him to just knock another entry off the docket.

At 12:20 PM, Blogger cptodd said...


I must say that I was left with my mouth agape at your comment. I knew folks like you existed in the "bear community" but your whites only club of bear bullshit is spectacular to behold. It quite certainly comports with what I have long suspected. And while I applaud you for your honesty it is quite disappointing nonetheless. I think it is for this reason that I absolutely DO NOT identify as a bear even though I am consistently told that I am one by others.

Personally, I think you are absolutely correct when you state that he should be able to accept who he wants. My only objection to this policy is that it should be clearly spelled out. "Niggas", "chinks", "spics" (did I spell that correctly?), skinny bitches, etc. need not apply. While disappointing it would at least be honest.

At 12:25 PM, Blogger cptodd said...

To continue in this vein, I think something more complex than "he is racist" is going on here. There are obviously people of color on that site. (OK wait, I have seen a few. . . it is not like I have taken a comprehensive survey so take this at face value.) There are also folks who are of slim(er?) build. This is not to say that these criteria do not figure (and perhaps prominently) in the consideration of who is admitted to membership, but the inclusion of "others" tells me that there is a level of complexity that is not being accounted for in this discussion.

At 8:53 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I am a slim bear lover. My profile "can not be approved" and without further explanation, but a great deal of nerve they asked me to "Please post a new profile at"
How patronizing is that!? And who the fuck do they think they are to send this sort of replies, anyways?

At 10:50 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


This is fucking bullshit.

If you run a business, or ask for any sort of money from the public at all, you are NOT allowed to discriminate!

It's against the law and HIGHLY unethical.

If I ran a store that didn't let blacks in, you bet your ass i would hear from the law about it.

At 2:20 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

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At 8:03 AM, Blogger Marcio Chris said...

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At 8:05 AM, Blogger Marcio Chris said...

I do agree with Christopher that there is a more complex "criteria" on it that is not clear for everybody and I am an example for that: I have a very small frame body and I'm a latin man, but I'm there and also with a free priority access account! That is for sure they regulates the membership but it's not in terms of pure racist or body shape issues. And no doubt if you try to be there with a bad profile picture with no face, you'll be frustrated! Clear face picture is mandatory on Bear411.

At 2:35 PM, Blogger BayAreaStephen said...

Shock! For some reason I just got "rejected" by Bear411 and I used to be a member. INCREDIBLE. This asshole webmaster must have some pretty schizophrenic guidelines he follows. You can be a hairless twink and still be included, you can be an old black man with a little patch of grey on your chin, and you're included, but I'm a hairy, husky bear 5'10", 225lbs., wrestler, workout, goatee, and am constantly cruised by those looking for "daddy bears". So, it must mean nothing to get rejected by this Canadian guy. Isn't it strange that we're discriminating ON LOOKS against our own kind - and it doesn't matter what you think you are (bear), unless this Gregory Asshole thinks you're a bear, you don't count. And I'd better not hear about any of my "rejected brothers" joining his companion group MENONLINE because that's like taking his slap in the face. Fuck him. There are plenty of other bear sites - and I belong to them!

At 7:53 PM, Blogger TxTinker said...

I was rejected also..perhaps because I'm an older bear, but still a bear (6'-2", 230,hairy front and back). Maybe rejection was because my profile said I was non-judgmental and that I was in a long term relationship with a younger bear. Who knows, but I see no reason to gnash my teeth or tuck my tail in dismay at my rejection. Nor do I see any reason to subscribe to their other site, which was recommended to me in my rejection email. There are other good contact sites without having to be "cleared" for "acceptance" by an obviously judgmental jury.

At 8:04 PM, Blogger TxTinker said...

Sorry...I'm the "unknown" above. Didn't have my profile name properly identified. Do I look like a bear?

At 8:31 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...


there is NO screening, no down times for non paids, no restrictions on photo types, it has a very good quality video chat room, etc, etc, etc. Well worth your time. The owner made the site specifically to give people fed up with Bear411 a place to go without all the bullshit. It's growing and becoming more popular by the day.

At 11:36 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

To be Honest guys... Greg (aka Buddybear) isn't worth the shit he puts himself up as. My partner and I had a profile on the site for 8-9 years (we were non-paying members) - thankfully we weren't financially ripped off.
But someone claimed my partners pics were of him (ironic since I am in a few of the pics) and Greg deleted the profile without even giving us notice. I contacted him - when it was possible - and he never bothered to reply to me for 13 days. I ended up sending him a post - nasty one - and my profile was removed within 1-2 hours.
He's removed the option apparently of being able to delete profiles if ur not a member. Ie, you need to pay cash to get access to delete the profile. He's basically a poor excuse of a man and a financial scammmer. Personally I'd say avoid all his sites.

At 1:36 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

im 33 , im from mexico , i have a paid membership and with it or with out i have never a bad experience in this site, im middle furry, moustache , beard , and stocky.
And if the site says "bear411" its a place where the bears are.
i met my ex in this site.


At 2:22 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

Nov 1 - 2016
I paid my membership for over FIFTEEN YEARS. I was 3 weeks late into renewing due to family emergencies. When I resubmitted my renewal my account was charged but I did not get full access. I contacted their billing service and they told me to contact my bank and then BEAR411 as they didn't handle this type of complaint. My bank told me that indeed my account was charged. Alarmed I checked my email and received this response:

"Because of technical difficulties we are unable to add your
usercode and passcode to this website.
That makes it impossible for you to login at the
Therefore, we have refunded the total amount
of USD -24 to your account.
This amount will show up within 4 weeks on your credit card
or bank statement."

I don't know about you but I feel that keeping funds for a month is fraud.

At 5:23 PM, Blogger Unknown said...

I am a member on bear411 but not a paid member. I keep getting a message saying that it's temporary reserved to paid members. That has now been over a month. Lost all my messages. Can't send a message to esupport. Not paying for the site haven't seen it's worth to pay for the it.


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